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Considering buying a Ghibli Diesel

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Hi all,

I live in NL and as an Italian car enthusiast, I am looking for a while for a nice Ghibli Diesel to own. Previously, I’ve driven many company cars at my previous employer and one of them back in 2008 was an Alfa Romeo 159. Since that moment, the Italian car virus has struck me 😊. I made a promise to myself that as soon as I quit driving company cars and are able to own a private car, it must be an Italian.

So back in 2014, I bought an Alfa 159 TI and I enjoyed owning, driving and maintaining the car 7 years until the rust devil got hold of it. I knew that the subframe was prone for rusting since it was its weak spot from the factory but the rust started also around the sills and bottom edges of the back doors. I was forced to sell it for a fair price in 2021 before the rust would became worse and finally would eat up the car. A real shame for such a beautiful car and apparently the Italians are still married to rust 😊 despite that we are living in the 21st century and they don’t learn from the past.

Anyway, since my 159 TI was gone I have always wanted a Ghibli. What a stunning looking car and there is nothing like it on the road. Unfortunately back in 2021 after extensive searches, I could not find one in the color and spec that I wanted for the price I want. So since 2021 I am driving a 2nd generation CLS which is also a stunning car especially the trim it has. But still since driving it for 1,5 years now, the Ghibli has never left my mind. Especially when seeing one occasionally on the roads it always tickles my brain as soon as I see one drive by which makes me continue the search to try my luck to search for one and buy one.

Finally, I have found a very nice Ghibli Diesel (due to the amount of kilometers I make annually it needs to be a Diesel) of which I am tempted to buy. It ticks all the boxes I was looking for. It has 116.000’ish kilometers on the odo and the paperwork/maintenance is solid and always taken care of by a Maserati dealer. When doing some research about the weak points of specifically the Diesel engine, I could not find much on the internet. This can have several reasons: 1) the Diesel was not sold much 2) the Diesels never have issues 3) owners don’t write reviews/share information publicly for other drivers who are considering to buy one.

So here I am trying my luck on this forum to see if there is some useful info here about my specific questions:

  • Are these Diesel engines solid (I think it has a Chrysler Diesel) and do they last a long time when making a lot of kilometers? Of course without saying, the engine needs to be well taken car of and never miss a checkup/maintenance appointment (once every year or 20.000 kilometers whatever comes first).
  • What are the generic weak points of the car and specifically for the Diesels? In general regardless the car brand, the DPF could give issues when driving short distances.
  • I read about some ‘small’ generic issues like:
    • The leather wrapped steering wheel flaking at already low mileages due to poor quality leather used by Maserati.
    • The armrest in the center console of which the doors will not open anymore due to poor quality of the metal springs used by Maserati.
    • Possible early rust developing on the lower back arms.
    • Some aircondition/thermostat issues.
    • Possible premature wear and tear of the tires due to back wheel alignment/bad suspension design.

Does anyone have some personal experience of owning the Ghibli Diesel of the early model years (2014-2016) in the long run and doesn’t mind sharing the things to look after as in known issues of the Diesel or the Ghibli in general before buying one?

Thanks a lot 😊
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Hello,
I have a 2015 Ghibli diesel, which is actually,funny enough, imported to Finland from Netherlands. It had 104K km and now 113k km. Only problem has been that, it runs very rough after cold starts, below zero celsius weather. Other than that it's been problem free. On the freeway fuel consumption has been between 5-6 l /100Km, in the city about 7-8 l/100km. Engine is bullet proof, basic technology. DIY maintainable.
  • Tire wear was bad, but after alignment it settled.
  • No rust, or only surface rust on the parts you mentioned. Fixed DIY.
  • Steering wheel was not bad. DIY fix. Just leather care produts.
  • NO A/C issues.
  • Center console OK.

I can't think of anything else to mention, but just ask.
Hello,
I have a 2015 Ghibli diesel, which is actually,funny enough, imported to Finland from Netherlands. It had 104K km and now 113k km. Only problem has been that, it runs very rough after cold starts, below zero celsius weather. Other than that it's been problem free. On the freeway fuel consumption has been between 5-6 l /100Km, in the city about 7-8 l/100km. Engine is bullet proof, basic technology. DIY maintainable.
  • Tire wear was bad, but after alignment it settled.
  • No rust, or only surface rust on the parts you mentioned. Fixed DIY.
  • Steering wheel was not bad. DIY fix. Just leather care produts.
  • NO A/C issues.
  • Center console OK.

I can't think of anything else to mention, but just ask.
Hi Jarna,

Thanks for sharing your info. Which model year is your Ghibli? My 159 Diesel had the same rough idle starting issues as you are mentioning about your Ghibli. After a few minutes driving it settled down automatically and the RPM’s dropped to a normal level during idle.

Do experience any squeeks or rattles or other noises while driving on especially rough roads especially during the cold seasons? Or what about squeeking brakes/brake pads?
Hi GhibliNL,

So my car is 2015, 275HP, diesel, rear wheel drive Ghibli.
Rough running on cold weather is just just shaking and vibration, RPM is on normal level. And it runs normal after engine is warmed up.
Maybe Webasto could be cure for that.
By the way I also have had 8 Alfas along the years before this Ghibli. Brera was my favorite. They were all petrol engine cars.

In general there are minor rattles, mostly coming from dashboard and door panels. Most of that I fixed by replacing door panel fasteners on driver's side.
Brakes are ok, no noise from there. But the front pads wear pretty quickly. Or depends how you are driving.;)
Also battery drains if you don't drive it for a couple of weeks. Battery tender is a good idea to have.
AlfaOBD software is good thing to have if any problems or if you are doing the maintenance yourself. Service warning reset etc.
Engine block is the same as in Jeep Gran Cherokee, so the parts for the engine are not Maserati expensive, if you are OK with non OEM.

But all together it has been a reliable car so far. Enough power and torque. And fuel consumption is really good compared to petrol versions.
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Hi GhibliNL,
I have a 2017 Diesel (living in France) I installed a Maxhaust sound generator and remapped it 320-330P and 700Nm torque and EGR closed, pretty quick.
Consumption is a bit higher than Jarna's ~7.5-8L/100 normal driving Town 9.5L-10/100, but I drive it let's say spiritedly.

The post 2016 models have Adblue system and are better finished than the earlier models, they cured the suspension pods cracking and front springs sagging.
Engine side pretty reliable, compatible parts are easy to find at very good price compared to Dealer cost.
The only issue I have is that sometimes the SD card is not recognised, and the next day it works again. No idea why.
In my opinion, best to take the models which have the LCD display without the 2 buttons.

I also use to have an Alfa 159 SW TI in 2.4 210HP remapped to 250HP, a Brillant car if you ask me.
Bonjour Fredvr,

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. So just to be sure, you mean there is a known issue of the pre 2016 models that both front springs can snap at an early stage where then you need to replace both of them prematurely? And with ‘suspension pods’ you mean the control arm bushes making a cracking noise?
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