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Thank you! I am a tech and gadget freak and I didn't even know there was an Echo Auto. Going to read up on it now. I just finished making my gas fireplace "smart" to go on and off with Alexa voice command. Did the garage door a few weeks ago. Pretty cool when the garage door automatically opens when I pull down the street based on the Geolocation of my phone.

Sorry to hijack the thread!
Pretty cool. I'm going to be asking you some questions when the weather improves in my area!
 

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Pretty cool. I'm going to be asking you some questions when the weather improves in my area!
Love to help! I have definitely become obsessed with making my home a smart home. Swapped out every switch, dimmer, plug etc. Pool, hot tub, Christmas lights, video cams, thermostats, doorbell, Roomba, water alarm sensors etc. I thought I was out of things to make smart until I did some research on the fireplace, which required a relay and a smart plug.

I do wish Maserati had an app like all the other brands in it's class do that can start he car, unlock the doors and do some other things. My Infiniti app works with Alexa, not that I ever use it or the car, lol.
 
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If you have any friends with BMW’s, Benz’s, etc, maintenance will be about the same or just slightly higher. As far as repairs are concerned, I have owned 4 Maseratis, including my Ghibli and, in my experience, they have been more trouble free than BMW’s and Benz’s that I’ve owned. Not to mention much more personality.
disagree with the "same or just slightly higher" comment. I didn't pay $1k/yr to service my wife's previous Benz GLE. Nor did I pay that much annually to service my previous Audi S5. Maintenance costs on a Ghibil vs german are double assuming you are still within warranty and comparing apples to apples. Unless you are doing the work yourself. Then you might as well rip up your warranty.

As for out of warranty, no idea and don't plan to find out. But I would say the Ghibli is a bigger dice roll than German if acquiring out of warranty. I've had a couple used german cars in the past and they were all trouble free. My 2015 sq4 barely made it through it's 3 year lease before things started going wonky, the steering specifically for me which died at month 34 and again at month 35.
 

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disagree with the "same or just slightly higher" comment. I didn't pay $1k/yr to service my wife's previous Benz GLE. Nor did I pay that much annually to service my previous Audi S5. Maintenance costs on a Ghibil vs german are double assuming you are still within warranty and comparing apples to apples. Unless you are doing the work yourself. Then you might as well rip up your warranty.

As for out of warranty, no idea and don't plan to find out. But I would say the Ghibli is a bigger dice roll than German if acquiring out of warranty. I've had a couple used german cars in the past and they were all trouble free. My 2015 sq4 barely made it through it's 3 year lease before things started going wonky, the steering specifically for me which died at month 34 and again at month 35.
Well said and I hope this shows up when people are asking the proverbial question "Are Maserati's expensive?". Spot on compared to German cars and normal maintenance. I never had to budget $2,000 a year for oil changes and plugs weren't required until 100k miles, not every 30k miles. I have had BMW after BMW over the last 20 years. All under warranty and when it ran out, time for another. Same approach for the Ghibli purchase. Don't buy one unless it's under warranty. Even if you are a DIYer or have a good indie, the parts are so hard to find and exclusive to a few online dealers, they are slightly hedged to dealer pricing. Just know what you are getting into. Get a CPO and make the dealer do everything possible on their dime before delivery. Then budget $500-$1000 a year for maintenance at the dealer. Personally, as I drove by a Ghibli in my 7 series and 5 series since 2014, I wanted one. So different and sexy compared to the German offerings. Eyes wide open and risk free, save for the oil changes for three years.
 

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Well said and I hope this shows up when people are asking the proverbial question "Are Maserati's expensive?". Spot on compared to German cars and normal maintenance. I never had to budget $2,000 a year for oil changes and plugs weren't required until 100k miles, not every 30k miles. I have had BMW after BMW over the last 20 years. All under warranty and when it ran out, time for another. Same approach for the Ghibli purchase. Don't buy one unless it's under warranty. Even if you are a DIYer or have a good indie, the parts are so hard to find and exclusive to a few online dealers, they are slightly hedged to dealer pricing. Just know what you are getting into. Get a CPO and make the dealer do everything possible on their dime before delivery. Then budget $500-$1000 a year for maintenance at the dealer. Personally, as I drove by a Ghibli in my 7 series and 5 series since 2014, I wanted one. So different and sexy compared to the German offerings. Eyes wide open and risk free, save for the oil changes for three years.
Out of curiosity, I added up my costs from March 2014 - March 2020 ($6450), which included the original prepaid maintenance plan, ($2K), new Michelin PS4 tires, dealer recommended extra's, map updates and annual inspections. So I could see $1200-1500/year on average ... higher or lower depending on use / servicing dealer.

By comparison, my wife's 2016 BMW 5 series is averaging $250/year, (really $850-1000/year), if I estimate the prepaid maintenance plan included in new car price. Starting this year, it's on the extended maintenance plan for 3 additional years which figure brakes/rotors alone will repay that cost). No too far off the Maserati service costs.

My 2016 Inifiniti QX80 Limited with no plan is averaging $250-350/year at dealer using sponsored coupons. Mostly oil changes, filters, inspections and tire/wheel alignments ... for now.
 

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Out of curiosity, I added up my costs from March 2014 - March 2020 ($6450), which included the original prepaid maintenance plan, ($2K), new Michelin PS4 tires, dealer recommended extra's, map updates and annual inspections. So I could see $1200-1500/year on average ... higher or lower depending on use / servicing dealer.

By comparison, my wife's 2016 BMW 5 series is averaging $250/year, (really $850-1000/year), if I estimate the prepaid maintenance plan included in new car price. Starting this year, it's on the extended maintenance plan for 3 additional years which figure brakes/rotors alone will repay that cost). No too far off the Maserati service costs.

My 2016 Inifiniti QX80 Limited with no plan is averaging $250-350/year at dealer using sponsored coupons. Mostly oil changes, filters, inspections and tire/wheel alignments ... for now.
Funny, I have also have a Ghibli, a 5-series and a QX60. Also have a VW Tiguan I bought for my daughter.
 

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Replacing my car in the next year or so, debating between buying something practical like an semi-new Accord or something outrageous but older for similar price. 2014/2015 Ghibli fits the second category perfectly, I see a few near me around $25k with 50k miles on it. A couple of questions:

1. How much is maintenance, comparing to a typical car like an Accord or a Mustang for common services such as oil change, tire change, brakes, etc? Is it something like 1.5x? 3x? 10x? etc?

2. Does the base model come with basic bluetooth? I don't need fancy features, but being able to stream podcasts and music from my phone is important. I'd prefer to not buy a 3.5mm bluetooth receiver that I have to turn on each time I enter the car. My current car has that, it's annoying.

3. I see a lot of that some people dislike the center touchscreen (Chrysler Uconnect?), and replace it with a Tesla/Android screen. Does replacement screen, by default work well? Like is it going to continue controlling my AC or seat adjustments the way the factory screen does? Or does the replacement control music/nav only? If it controls everything, does it require a lot of configurations? I'm not very technical in terms of programming stuff. What's the most popular replacement screen that people buy?

4. Being a 2014 car, I assume it lacks a lot of newer tech that comes with newer cars such as a 2020 Ford Focus. I like tech, is it easy to spend a few thousand on tech to make it "up to date"? For example, how easy is it for me to install bird-eye-view cameras? Or lane change assist (blind spot warning)? Or Lane departure warning? Also, besides replacing speakers, what're your fav added-tech for this car?

5. How do you guys like the Ghibli? Every review I see online says "Don't spend $80k on the Ghibli", but is it smart to spend $25k on a 6 year old Ghibli with 50k miles on it?

Thanks everyone, really appreciate the help.
Each new model of the car is more advanced than the previous one. IT technologies are increasingly taking up space. But I can tell you that in my car I do not use all the options. I have a modern media system with navigator, radio, bluetooth and other functions. I haven't even studied everything.
 

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$1000 spark plug change? that's insane. Do it yourself. You tube has multiple videos on the subject. I'm no mechanic guy, but with a friend who works on his own vehicles we had it done in 40 min. About 15 of those minutes was going to auto zone for a thin-walled 13 mm socket that would fit in the chamber/shaft that the plugs are in. it was RIDICULOUSLY EASY. Cost me about $80 for the plugs on e-bay; $6,99 for the socket. I know, I hate working on cars myself, but believe me, if I can do it, literally ANYONE CAN.
 

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2018 model below.

Being scared of all the horror stories I've heard of the 2014-2015s I would try to get a 2017/2018 model if you can. The dealership told me they fixed a lot of the issues with the newer models. I plan on keeping my car after the warranty expires so reliability mattered to me.

My friends are surprised how much my oil change costs ($400-$500 once a year). But anyone that complains about the high maintenance cost of a maserati shouldn't have one, it's similar to a BMW or Benz. The best way to save money because the dealerships are all Ferrari mechanics at $300 an hour is to find a luxury car shop that works on luxury cars, easy to find in major cities, in rural areas that would be a concern for me.

Even having the 2018 model I've had there have been a few small things already but under warranty I was able to get it fixed easily which obviously the owner before me didn't care to get fixed, so that's a good example of if the prior owner took care of the car or not.

Also look around for a good deal, I got my 2018 for $43,000 used with 14k miles. Never buy a maserati new you'll save more slightly used. The same car at the dealership was $55,000. You can find used maseratis for a good deal but try to find one with a little bit of a warranty to play it safe. If buying used make sure you pay for the vehicle inspection ($550!) from a dealership which will tell you everything wrong with the car and if the prior owner did anything that would void any part of the warranty. I found out I needed new brakes and rotors which was an immediate $3k price but I'm happy so far.

Good luck!

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Lots of good info and recommendations here - thanks, forum. I drove a 2003 Audi A6 2.7T to 236k miles and it was not much more expensive than my wife's American cars for basic maintenance, but I did replace the timing belt three times (scheduled) and rotors/pads twice and sold it with failed A/C (it was my winter car anyway) and a squealing P/S pump. My 2011 A4 2.0T is an oil change per year at 149k miles. I have a pair of 2005 Chrysler Crossfires (one SRT6) and they require only the annual oil change and have been rock solid. I did swap out oem for low-dust brake pads on all of them and they were "cheap". I am finding comparable low-dust pads for the Ghibli cost upwards of $600 just for the pads, or almost 3x the cost for my Audis and Crossfires. I'll let you know how the Ghibli does after 10 years of ownership. I'm in month 2.
 

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Yes I'm sad I replaced stock brakes and rotors for $3k and they still squeak a tiny bit and give a lot of brake dust.

Next time I plan on going with Formula Dynamics their ceramic brake pads area only $700 i believe but include all 4 brakes front & back. Wayy more affordable and others have said they haven't noticed any lower quality in performance.
 

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Our 16 had lca replaced under warranty but otherwise no issue and annual services were about $500-$600 each. Like other said, 17 had significant infotainment upgrade and carplay, 18 had more things sorted out and more up to date techs, but with a new grill that's less desirable to me. Get the latest model year you are willing to spend, but 16 and up seem very reliable.

oh and FD has performance pads that's excellent and dont have that annoying grab of the stock pads in stop n go traffic
 

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I went to R1 concept for pads and rotors, I haven't put them on yet.
Some guys have used them here and seem to be satisfied, may be ask for their input.
 

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I think you need to decide on how safe you want to play it. Some of the older models from the launch are not as optimum or refined as the newer models. That said, there are some really nice early year models that were well maintained with low mileage ... if you can find one of those that would be something to consider.

As an example, I have a highly optioned MY14, built in Dec 2013, delivered March 2014 and have debated every few years on trading up to a newer model, but there is something about the older models that are more raw, less refined than the newer cars, so I've kept mine and will say it probably looks better than new, (and much louder/deeper exhaust than newer models). There are likely other original owners who have taken care of their cars and present a good value. Tech might not be there, but for me added an Amazon Echo Auto which connects all of my Alexa stuff to the car. Otherwise, I can't hear the sound over the exhaust anyway ... so all is good. Out of winter hibernation and now 6 years old in attached picture.

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A lovely example BeerGuy...a true credit to you. I have a 2016 & was recently invited to Maserati Melbourne for a look at the 2020/21 Ghibli. I agree with you regarding the word 'raw' relating to the earlier models. Something about them that's not replicated on the newer Grandsport & Granlusso models. Don't get me wrong, they are all nice. Anyway it was the dealers attempt to get me into a new one & also the fact they were looking at good used examples for their used stock inventory. Mine at 17k kms & not a blemish on it would have suited that agenda. Will keep mine for the foreseeable. Have to date not had one problem with it. BTW your wheels look great

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My advise is simple seeing your questions and worries
Don't buy a Maserati period !
And don't buy bmw or Mercedes or audi neither with engines with same power or higher ( I am not speaking of small engines) as the costs will be high too and I live in Luxembourg at around 10 minutes from Germany.. German cars here are all over the place.. there is as much Porsche as mustangs in US, they are everywhere.
Maserati is expensive it is a fact. Just changing summer tires in my Ghibli in Maserati dealer - 1920 euros for us it is like 2000 dollars
I bought my Maserati 2019 SQ4 grandsport full options, I've chosen each of them, total price of the options = 25000 euro , so new and with all options costed me 125000 euro, same for us as 125000 dollars
I could have a super M4 BMW a nice Porsche almost new, A brand new CLS AMG etc etc ... but I took the Maserati why ? Because I had all the others cars mentioned already even with V10 engines like my previous M6 etc..
All cost me a bunch of money I have a M550d an Aston Vantage and a Jaguar XJ plus the Ghibli
Only the jaguar is the cheapest in all kind and by very far the must luxury car ever from all
Is Maserati better then all the + 50 cars I had and have ? Not at all even dreaming, no way! it is worth 100.000 euro for a SQ4 gransport standard ? No absolutely not, when i see what i get in a Jaguar XJ for 100.000 euro,,, it is day and night
Maserati have quite a few things that are a disgrace for a brand as Maserati and with such high price, the black plastic all around the floor when you enter the car, it is ridiculous, the plastic cheap buttons to adjust the seats I can put pictures here of my cars to show the difference, it looks super cheap, and so many other things like, when I see how is built the sunroof while in open position and from my driver seat I watch up the metal around of the sunroof, I close my eyes, horrible, this is some small examples, there is more..
Is the Maserati reliable? to drive all the time put hundreds of thousand miles on it on all seasons etc ...No, at all. . I cannot use it in the same way as I use the jaguar or the BMW ... ok the Aston it is not reliable neither and it is much more exopensive for anything, but it is just for pleasure ( special car too)
But why spending soo much money in a car that loose all the value in a few years it is not up-to-date in many technologies, the built it is not the best neither..
Well because ... you must drive it to understand
Written will be just words. Take one drive it and you may understand why.
The engine + gearbox + sound using the paddles on the steering wheel in sport mode, it is the perfect marriage!
I love also how the car looks.. not just a massive stone like the Germans. It has charm the lines are beautiful the name also makes it sexy, I never drive this car without a smile on the face, it gives a very specifique feeling while driving it.
That's what I love on it and I don't regret at all.
I bought it too keep it for a while and I take big care of it because I know it is fragile somehow, like a precious watch .. you don't put it to work on the garden just as an example
It is for special occasions or drive having a good time and with place for 4 adults if needed.
I love that car all of it including all imperfections

in a few words I compare Maserati to a way of dressing
if you like Jeans - Don't buy a Maserati! jeans are good for everything Casual Working running swimming you can do all with a Jeans, and they are cheap to clean and can be reused thousands of times
But if you like a Smoking - well then buy a Maserati - smoking is for a special event by man of taste where Carisma and charm must apply, the smoking cleaning is expensive and you can use it for a few occasions but man.. you have style!

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Geoffrey, nice ode to a lovely Italian lady. I have owned three Audis (nothing like the stable you have) but there is something special about the Ghibli. I cannot drive to the corner store here without tripping over Audis, BMWs, Mercedes, and Porsches. Curious - where in Deutschland are you located and what do you do? I used to travel for business to Aachen and Miltenberg (just outside Frankfurt), as well as vacationing in Wurzburg, Munchen and Rodt.
 

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I live in Luxembourg, very small country with 625.000 people only living here, we have France Belgium and Germany surrounding our small country, I can drive from Luxembourg to France then to Belgium then to Germany and back to Luxembourg in 50 minutes at most.
Frankfurt (Aachen) it is about 2h15 minutes driving from Lux ( + - 108miles)
Munchen it is around 5h45 driving
both myself and my wife we are banker

Wurzburg, Munchen and Rodt. - great places to visit
 

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Thanks for sharing. I will have to visit some time, as I have been all around you (except Switzerland): Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Czech Republic, Austria, Slovakia (one of my favorites), Spain, and Hungary. If it was not for this **** covid-19, I would have been in some eastern European country this past summer. I think Lichtenstein is another small country that I will have to visit. So much to see; so little time.
 
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